How many mass shootings will it take?

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How many mass shootings will it take?
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* Yu Narukami	Oct 3 2015, 11:54 AM Post #16
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	lazerbem Oct 3 2015, 01:36 AM Nagito Komaeda Oct 2 2015, 10:18 PM If a person wants to own a gun, they should have to go through an extensive training course, as well as a thorough background check. A register should also exist in order to keep track of guns. Are these restrictions on people's freedom? Yes, they are. However, a person's freedom isn't more important than innocent lives. If a mass shooting were to happen tomorrow and a few people in the room happened to have guns, what would happen? Would we get this amazing story about these heroes who killed the bad guy with a gun? Or would we be throwing more armed people into the situation and endanger people's lives in the inevitable shoot-out? People who're dead-set on killing others with guns will eventually get guns. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything in our power to deter people who're considering it, though. If these restrictions were in place, many people may think that it just isn't worth their time. Also, just to echo what people have said before, there needs to be a major overhaul when it comes to how the US deals with mental illness. I don't quite get the mental illness thing. What's there to do when no one even thought he was ill? When he was making posts that said violence against cops wasn't the answer? How was someone supposed to know he was ill to begin with? Obviously it might not have helped in this particular case, but if a person is unstable enough to commit a mass shooting, chances are there's going to be some signs. Heck, even if it wouldn't have a huge impact on the number of mass shootings, improving how you deal with mental illness is always a plus in the bigger picture.



Buuberries	Oct 3 2015, 12:56 PM Post #17
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	lazerbem Oct 3 2015, 01:36 AM Nagito Komaeda Oct 2 2015, 10:18 PM If a person wants to own a gun, they should have to go through an extensive training course, as well as a thorough background check. A register should also exist in order to keep track of guns. Are these restrictions on people's freedom? Yes, they are. However, a person's freedom isn't more important than innocent lives. If a mass shooting were to happen tomorrow and a few people in the room happened to have guns, what would happen? Would we get this amazing story about these heroes who killed the bad guy with a gun? Or would we be throwing more armed people into the situation and endanger people's lives in the inevitable shoot-out? People who're dead-set on killing others with guns will eventually get guns. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything in our power to deter people who're considering it, though. If these restrictions were in place, many people may think that it just isn't worth their time. Also, just to echo what people have said before, there needs to be a major overhaul when it comes to how the US deals with mental illness. I don't quite get the mental illness thing. What's there to do when no one even thought he was ill? When he was making posts that said violence against cops wasn't the answer? How was someone supposed to know he was ill to begin with? and that's the reason why the mental health issue is brought up -- we dont know enough yet, so people are going to end up off the radar.
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+ Steve	Oct 3 2015, 03:07 PM Post #18
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yeah and if someone was trying to get a gun and had to take lessons at a shooting range there could be a psychologist evaluating them, it'd be blatantly obvious if someone has severe anger issues for instance. Perhaps they could set up traps like gun jamming, if someone's reaction to that is to scream and throw the gun against the wall...prolly shouldn't be allowed a gun. It's far better to try than to just leave it as it is. http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015 According to that there have been almost 300 mass shootings in America this year alone. Insanity. At this rate there will be one for every day of the year. And people still say it's not a problem.
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lazerbem	Oct 3 2015, 08:31 PM Post #19
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Steve Oct 3 2015, 03:07 PM Yeah and if someone was trying to get a gun and had to take lessons at a shooting range there could be a psychologist evaluating them, it'd be blatantly obvious if someone has severe anger issues for instance. Perhaps they could set up traps like gun jamming, if someone's reaction to that is to scream and throw the gun against the wall...prolly shouldn't be allowed a gun. It's far better to try than to just leave it as it is. http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015 According to that there have been almost 300 mass shootings in America this year alone. Insanity. At this rate there will be one for every day of the year. And people still say it's not a problem. And what if he lacked anger problems? From what I can see, the most incriminating bit of evidence you can find is that he liked the IRA, which isn't really all that specific. How does one set a gun to jam? I suppose the seller could just give him an improperly loaded mag, but plenty of people would be ticked off about that. Not to mention the entire point of it would be lost once people caught on that it's a regular test.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Oct 4 2015, 03:13 PM Post #20
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Pelador Oct 2 2015, 03:54 PM It might end if people had easier access to mental health treatment. It's not really that it's not easy to get, it's just that it's one of those things in the US that people don't want to concern themselves with, so overall it's swept under the rug and not taken seriously. Statistically, over 70% of gun responsible owners actually think there should be more regulation on who is able to get guns. But it's the right wing conservatives who think that everyone should have them. However, in the US, the news networks are about 80% to blame for this stuff that happens. If you turn on American news, almost all the news they report is bad news about violence. In the 1980s when news networks stopped reporting suicides, suicide rates in the entire US dropped by over 30% in a single year's time. It's an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality that we need to promote in order for this to stop happening. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Oct 4 2015, 03:28 PM.
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+ Steve	Oct 5 2015, 02:31 AM Post #21
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	lazerbem Oct 3 2015, 08:31 PM How does one set a gun to jam? I suppose the seller could just give him an improperly loaded mag, but plenty of people would be ticked off about that. Not to mention the entire point of it would be lost once people caught on that it's a regular test. I don't know I'm not an expert, I'm sure there would be ways to tell. Even if people knew people with serious anger issues would still get pissed off, the kind of person that would snap and actually kill people isn't likely to have a standard reaction. Quote: However, in the US, the news networks are about 80% to blame for this stuff that happens. If you turn on American news, almost all the news they report is bad news about violence. In the 1980s when news networks stopped reporting suicides, suicide rates in the entire US dropped by over 30% in a single year's time. It's an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality that we need to promote in order for this to stop happening. Impossible task really you'd have to block out the whole internet for people to not have access to that kind of information. I doubt the news networks are that related to mass shootings anyway it's probably more conspiracy websites and whatnot that get people going. It's amazing how convinced people will be in a conspiracy theory. Whether that's related to mental illness or not some people are easily manipulated by what they read on the internet. https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/dimitru-duduman-%E2%80%93-%E2%80%9Camerica-will-burn%E2%80%9D/ There's some crazy stuff out there. Become obsessed with any one thing and you'll find yourself being absorbed in to it more and more until you have a mission in mind. And then there's just the psychopaths who want to destroy, just because. These kind of people need to be on the radar and get mental help more than anything.
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* Mitas	Oct 5 2015, 10:45 AM Post #22
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	If it was going to be a mass shooting that changed people's attitudes, it probably would have happened already considering there are so many of them, so I don't know if there is an answer to this question. I mean, the people against gun control laws being changed actually use these shootings as evidence for their cause e.g. "more armed guards", "arm the teachers" etc. I think I read somewhere that one of the victims who survived is pro-guns and this didn't change her mind. If a mass shooting incident doesn't change the attitude of one of it's victims, why would it change an outside observer?
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


+ Steve	Oct 5 2015, 04:08 PM Post #23
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I don't think we should care what pro gun people think at the end of the day regulations need to be put in place at the end of the day, if they want their guns they can have them, they have nothing to fear if they're responsible non crazy gun owners and have every right to defend themselves still but can go outside with chance of that being necessary. Heard that gun stores are closing down because they're being forced to record purchases and whatnot, so people are mad... How silly is that? In pretty much every modern store for anything purchases are recorded and surveillance is in place. Why is it that when it comes to guns people are so uptight about things changing? Even though it could save a lot of lives. The people who think everyone should have a gun are quite frankly idiots. The death count would just go up and up and gun crime would be even more casual, why be smart about your robbery when you can just shoot people for a quick buck. It's hard enough to get guns off people now, there would be no going back from that.
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